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Jack Straw, Sugaree, Cassidy, Dupree's Diamond Blues, Hell In A Bucket-> Might As Well Iko Iko, Lost Sailor-> Saint Of Circumstance-> Uncle John's Band-> Only A Fool-> Drums-> Spanish Jam-> Truckin'-> Black Peter-> Around & Around-> Good Lovin', E: Day Job
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2nd set only; SBD -> Cm -> Reel -> Dat -> CD; Seeded to etree by Charlie Miller
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- gd84-04-23.set2-sbd.miller.14949.sbeok.shnf
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- SBD > Cm > Reel > DAT > CD
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- New Haven, CT
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- 1
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- Soundboard (set 2 only)
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- Charlie Miller
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- 1984
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Reviewer:
c-freedom
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April 23, 2020
Subject: There is danger at your door..
Subject: There is danger at your door..
17 minutes of UJB>Only a Fool
(sound a little muddy, )
Only a fool could tell his friends
Of a war that just won't end
Only a fool would go so far
As ... you you have gone, my man
How my friends spoke so good of you
Makes me burn inside
Think of all you did to him
I don't care how far or fast you ride
I'm gonna break you down
That's all I'm gonna do
You're gonna wish the ground
Was six feet over you
To think you're wise, only goes to show
How wrong someone can be
Hey, king of lies, you ain't no mask
For the hell I got in me
I'm gonna break you down
That's what I'm gonna do
You're gonna wish the ground
Was six feet over you
This was played once, on 23 April 1984. Thanks to Drew Berry for the lyrics.
(sound a little muddy, )
Only a fool could tell his friends
Of a war that just won't end
Only a fool would go so far
As ... you you have gone, my man
How my friends spoke so good of you
Makes me burn inside
Think of all you did to him
I don't care how far or fast you ride
I'm gonna break you down
That's all I'm gonna do
You're gonna wish the ground
Was six feet over you
To think you're wise, only goes to show
How wrong someone can be
Hey, king of lies, you ain't no mask
For the hell I got in me
I'm gonna break you down
That's what I'm gonna do
You're gonna wish the ground
Was six feet over you
This was played once, on 23 April 1984. Thanks to Drew Berry for the lyrics.
Reviewer:
happytrails
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favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
March 21, 2015 (edited)
Subject: Digging it!
Subject: Digging it!
I was there…tripping all Monday (?) afternoon…and then seeing a show. Young and foolishly making such a racket up near the rafters, I want to punch
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my 20 year old self.
From behind the stage, during the interminable "smoke break" after Jack Straw I tossed out a "Hey Jerry, Sugaree!" ~ Really! Beforehand; ask Kurt! He'll vouch. And if he should find this review, Its a fond if brittle memory.
And after listening to the recording - I had it years ago but don't recall it making much of an impression - I echo comments of a few earlier reviews. Weird and interesting at times, unfocussed and bizarre at others, and sometimes a mixture of the two (a matrix of quality, y'know one of those with four sources!)…but probably worth a listen, or even two! The more I listen, the more I enjoy it....but there's better
Verylazylightning's review before sums it up well for me - and made me change the rating... I feel as though this is what we went to see/hear/experience for a Dead concert; a musical journey with a willingness to follow to where they lead!
From behind the stage, during the interminable "smoke break" after Jack Straw I tossed out a "Hey Jerry, Sugaree!" ~ Really! Beforehand; ask Kurt! He'll vouch. And if he should find this review, Its a fond if brittle memory.
And after listening to the recording - I had it years ago but don't recall it making much of an impression - I echo comments of a few earlier reviews. Weird and interesting at times, unfocussed and bizarre at others, and sometimes a mixture of the two (a matrix of quality, y'know one of those with four sources!)…but probably worth a listen, or even two! The more I listen, the more I enjoy it....but there's better
Verylazylightning's review before sums it up well for me - and made me change the rating... I feel as though this is what we went to see/hear/experience for a Dead concert; a musical journey with a willingness to follow to where they lead!
Reviewer:
zzzboxofrainzzz
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June 6, 2011 (edited)
Subject: First Listen Since Being There
Subject: First Listen Since Being There
For some reason I decided to give this another listen. Still think fall "84 was the stronger tour. But there is some good stuff here. Yes, the next
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night was better. But as I think back on the past 42 years of Dead community shows I've seen, I'm glad I made this one. Keep on rockin' in the free world.
#BeKind #BeGratefulNotHateful #AintNoTimeToHate
I have some weird memories of this one starting with my early morning wait in line at Ticketmaster in Middletown, CT to buy tix for the show [turned out to be the only time I went to my lawyer job stoned to the bejesus], thru my buddy showing up in his suit b/c he was late leaving work and didn't have time to change before getting the train up from NYC.... But enuff on that... the music is what matters. Spring '84 paled in comparison to fall '84 [check out the monstrous 10/14 & 10/15 shows in Hartford], but it really wasn't as bad as folks say. I think the playing on Jack Straw, Sugaree, and Duprees are stellar. And other than not being a fan of '83 and '84 Hell in a Bucket's, enjoyed the rest of the first set - - even if only 6 tunes. Second set wasn't all that tight, but other than Brent's tune before the drumz, and the Day Job encore, I liked the tune selection and enjoyed dancing with my wife [now of 28+ years]. And, as I've said before when reviewing shows from '95, I'd give a lung to hear Jerry live one last time- -even if not on his best night.
#BeKind #BeGratefulNotHateful #AintNoTimeToHate
I have some weird memories of this one starting with my early morning wait in line at Ticketmaster in Middletown, CT to buy tix for the show [turned out to be the only time I went to my lawyer job stoned to the bejesus], thru my buddy showing up in his suit b/c he was late leaving work and didn't have time to change before getting the train up from NYC.... But enuff on that... the music is what matters. Spring '84 paled in comparison to fall '84 [check out the monstrous 10/14 & 10/15 shows in Hartford], but it really wasn't as bad as folks say. I think the playing on Jack Straw, Sugaree, and Duprees are stellar. And other than not being a fan of '83 and '84 Hell in a Bucket's, enjoyed the rest of the first set - - even if only 6 tunes. Second set wasn't all that tight, but other than Brent's tune before the drumz, and the Day Job encore, I liked the tune selection and enjoyed dancing with my wife [now of 28+ years]. And, as I've said before when reviewing shows from '95, I'd give a lung to hear Jerry live one last time- -even if not on his best night.
Reviewer:
Dylan M
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December 3, 2010
Subject: Certainly not the "worst show" of all time
Subject: Certainly not the "worst show" of all time
I couldn't see how anyone would put this one in to question. For being the lull of 84' (I consider the later half of the year to be much better) this show
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is a stand out better than some of the others.
Yes its obvious Garcia is deteriorated vocally and musically but him and the band are experimenting with longer and balsier jams than normal. A bit dark, but then again, it seemed to be dark times.
The July Greek shows seemed to be the turn around point for 84', but this one is definitely one of the better shows of the Spring.
I generally think 85' was a much better year, with 86' going really downhill into, well obviously.....
There may be a cassette generation or two in the mix which might make the sound quality not the best Miller transfer, but still certainly worth a listen thru, and probably a download.
Yes its obvious Garcia is deteriorated vocally and musically but him and the band are experimenting with longer and balsier jams than normal. A bit dark, but then again, it seemed to be dark times.
The July Greek shows seemed to be the turn around point for 84', but this one is definitely one of the better shows of the Spring.
I generally think 85' was a much better year, with 86' going really downhill into, well obviously.....
There may be a cassette generation or two in the mix which might make the sound quality not the best Miller transfer, but still certainly worth a listen thru, and probably a download.
Reviewer:
EcceHomo
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December 3, 2010
Subject: Dead in Newt Heaven
Subject: Dead in Newt Heaven
That is what my girlfriend and I called it when we used to live down there. Yale had kicked me out by this time so it was the "return of the native" for
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me. It was a pleasure just seeing the boys back in town after my prolonged absence. It wasn't an outstanding performance but the ones in May of 1981 were the standout shows I saw there (both from the front row). During the Lazy Lightning of the May 11 show I literally saw blood boil on stage. But the band was later banned from playing in New Haven and then they imploded the Coliseum- a fitting end to what my sister once called a corrugated concrete box turned inside-out. Oh well.
p.s. My VERY FIRST review. I have been hanging out here since 2002 and downloaded about 800 SB's when they were available but hadn't registered a user name till recently (I was having trouble streaming shows and contacted the Administrator- turns out I am not the only one having this problem).
Well and good night. Four stars for the nostalgia of it all.
P
p.s. My VERY FIRST review. I have been hanging out here since 2002 and downloaded about 800 SB's when they were available but hadn't registered a user name till recently (I was having trouble streaming shows and contacted the Administrator- turns out I am not the only one having this problem).
Well and good night. Four stars for the nostalgia of it all.
P
Reviewer:
verylazylightning
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August 20, 2010
Subject: Love It Or Leave It
Subject: Love It Or Leave It
This was hailed as one of the worst shows of all
time in a 8/19/10 chat, so, of course, I couldn't
resist truckin' over for a quick listen....morbid
curiosity, ... or just sampling the richly rewarding conundrum of what makes some hate a truly great
show, and vice versa? Now, in an attempt to
grab my five seconds of fame, I will pen the
first Latin quote in these archives to date-
"De gustandibus non disputatum" (do not quarrel
over matters of taste).
Amazing, eh, considering NOT ONE ancient Roman ever saw a Dead show ! Er, but back to the main
topic....
This warped little musical odyssey is a puzzler.
The only way to explain this excursion is that
(and I may be going out on a limb here) I am
willing to bet all members of the band took the
identical drug that night (which rarely happened)
and too much of it (which happened all the time).
The result is a foggy, stumbling journey in which
the superb range of tonalities and remarkably
concise soundboard steal the show from a highly
uneven performance by the lads.
It's really more of a meditation/trance soundtrack than a show. Jerry seems much the
worse for wear, playing miserably below his usual
standards, while a VERY careful and cautious Bob
feels his way along as Phil puts forth a somewhat
asymmetrical, melodically emphatic effort that
makes one wonder if he's even at the same show.
And yet....so strangely compelling, so eerie,
so otherwordly. One is drawn into a strange
dreamlike fugue as the band uses music to
sculpt a representation of their communal
mind-state.
In this last regard this concert is a triumph.
For those Deadheads who most highly value the
virtuoso skills the boys are capable of presenting
it is a laughable fiasco that saves itself in part
only by the remarkably coherent presentation of
an alien artscape.
I will give it two stars (one of the lowest ratings I have ever assigned) with an additional
hidden star-and-a-half for the wicked, stoned
pleasure of it all.
time in a 8/19/10 chat, so, of course, I couldn't
resist truckin' over for a quick listen....morbid
curiosity, ... or just sampling the richly rewarding conundrum of what makes some hate a truly great
show, and vice versa? Now, in an attempt to
grab my five seconds of fame, I will pen the
first Latin quote in these archives to date-
"De gustandibus non disputatum" (do not quarrel
over matters of taste).
Amazing, eh, considering NOT ONE ancient Roman ever saw a Dead show ! Er, but back to the main
topic....
This warped little musical odyssey is a puzzler.
The only way to explain this excursion is that
(and I may be going out on a limb here) I am
willing to bet all members of the band took the
identical drug that night (which rarely happened)
and too much of it (which happened all the time).
The result is a foggy, stumbling journey in which
the superb range of tonalities and remarkably
concise soundboard steal the show from a highly
uneven performance by the lads.
It's really more of a meditation/trance soundtrack than a show. Jerry seems much the
worse for wear, playing miserably below his usual
standards, while a VERY careful and cautious Bob
feels his way along as Phil puts forth a somewhat
asymmetrical, melodically emphatic effort that
makes one wonder if he's even at the same show.
And yet....so strangely compelling, so eerie,
so otherwordly. One is drawn into a strange
dreamlike fugue as the band uses music to
sculpt a representation of their communal
mind-state.
In this last regard this concert is a triumph.
For those Deadheads who most highly value the
virtuoso skills the boys are capable of presenting
it is a laughable fiasco that saves itself in part
only by the remarkably coherent presentation of
an alien artscape.
I will give it two stars (one of the lowest ratings I have ever assigned) with an additional
hidden star-and-a-half for the wicked, stoned
pleasure of it all.
Reviewer:
hitbyacomet
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favoritefavoritefavorite -
September 3, 2008
Subject: brent
Subject: brent
goin through brent material, came across " only a fool" saw on dead.net only time this song was played, pretty interesting???
Reviewer:
ClaudenotWalker
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favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
January 30, 2008
Subject: TRY THIS AT HOME!
Subject: TRY THIS AT HOME!
Listen to this concert while watching the New Haven Coliseum being blown up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJdN4XWTKbQ
Reviewer:
Mellowman
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favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
March 8, 2006
Subject: It's a Keeper
Subject: It's a Keeper
I just heard the Professor play this on his Podcast. The quality and playing are first rate and well above the norm for the '81 - '84 period.
Reviewer:
secret8476
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favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
July 3, 2005 (edited)
Subject: love the eighties
Subject: love the eighties
I have jus begun listening to this morsel , and all i can say is i love what the boys did in the eighties. Ya ever realize Dicks Picks has virtually NO
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80's shows in its library? I don't understand why. The *drums>space* portions of many 80's show definitly exhibited some creative flow and it bled right into the music itself. Brents organ playing , and on good nights, Jerrys guitar licks - phil dropping bombs , and constant explorative drumming presented some of the finest music the Dead can offer, in my humble opinion. However, I am a junkie for this stuff, and could say the same about the 70's with Kieth and Donna, the 60's with PIg, and even the 90's with Bruce and Vince (yes later years with only Vince were a bit weak , but eh) .
In either case, this show thus far has been a real treat , and after listening to the UJB...it's 17 minutes of gold :) The "Only A Fool" seems to be almost completely impromptu - i dont think anyone knew it was comin' , personally . Bobby , jerry , and phil had left stage , and mickey and billy dont seem to be exactly in sync at all times with what Brents got goin' on at the moment..leaves one to wonder if perhaps he had a message to send across to someone that night 0.o ?
In either case, this show thus far has been a real treat , and after listening to the UJB...it's 17 minutes of gold :) The "Only A Fool" seems to be almost completely impromptu - i dont think anyone knew it was comin' , personally . Bobby , jerry , and phil had left stage , and mickey and billy dont seem to be exactly in sync at all times with what Brents got goin' on at the moment..leaves one to wonder if perhaps he had a message to send across to someone that night 0.o ?
Reviewer:
J.C.
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April 2, 2005
Subject: UJB!
Subject: UJB!
This UJB ranges from calypso to country to utter psychedelia. It's not exactly the tightest one ever performed, but it more than makes up for that with
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uniqueness out the wazoo.
Rest of the set is energetic, if somewhat standard fare for the time. Sound is a bit muddy, but that seems to be a symptom of quite a few '84 boards. Thanks to CM for yet another nice seed.
Rest of the set is energetic, if somewhat standard fare for the time. Sound is a bit muddy, but that seems to be a symptom of quite a few '84 boards. Thanks to CM for yet another nice seed.
Reviewer:
capn doubledose
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December 16, 2004
Subject: 1984 did not have alot of keepers and while this is good...
Subject: 1984 did not have alot of keepers and while this is good...
There is nothing about this that really sets it apart. SBD tape not that great either.
Reviewer:
Terrapin31590
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October 2, 2004 (edited)
Subject: Fat 84 Sound
Subject: Fat 84 Sound
My original review is below, and I hate to flame a fellow 'head, but the other review of this show is just pure unadultered horsesh*t. First, the sound
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quality is great, clean SBD recording. Second, the show itself is tight, well played (check out Jerry's leads during the um 17 freakin minute UJB), and out there. I have more than 200 shows in my collection and I'd put this in the top 10.
Although this version of 4/23 is a 2d set only, I highly recommend downloading it. First, the sound quality is first rate, a very well mixed soundboard recording that captures each of the band members. Second, and more importantly, the song selection and effort are A+. The set starts out with a grungy Iko (as many were in 1984) that has a very funky beat, keep an ear open for Jer and Brent working their two man weave. Weir's Sailor>Saint is one of the longer versions this reviewer has ever heard (total running time creeps over 15 minutes) and Weir's "rapping" toward the end of Sailor where he freestyles about drifting and dreaming etc is nicely done. The real highlight of the set in my opinion is the LONG (17+ minute) Uncle John's Band .. after a brief intro and 1st verse, a lengthy 5 minute jam ensues that really lets the band explore the UJB theme. Same is true after the last verse as Jerry and Brent tease China Doll and assorted other riffs before it looks like the drummers are going to settle in for their segment. Mydland however busts out a very very rare (1st and only one ever) "Only A Fool" sans Jerry, Bob and Phil that really hits home. Brent's lead organ with a very minimal drum line behind him give the song good emotional punch and it's well done, if a bit short (about 4 min.).
The back end includes a really trippy (again, weren't all 1984) Space that bleeds into a nice Spanish Jam. Weir takes a lead with Truckin and Jerry responds with a nice Black Peter.
It's unfortunate that the whole show does not circulate in SBD (for the completists among us, an AUD of the whole show is also posted here) because the 2d set is one of the best I have from this underrated era.
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
Although this version of 4/23 is a 2d set only, I highly recommend downloading it. First, the sound quality is first rate, a very well mixed soundboard recording that captures each of the band members. Second, and more importantly, the song selection and effort are A+. The set starts out with a grungy Iko (as many were in 1984) that has a very funky beat, keep an ear open for Jer and Brent working their two man weave. Weir's Sailor>Saint is one of the longer versions this reviewer has ever heard (total running time creeps over 15 minutes) and Weir's "rapping" toward the end of Sailor where he freestyles about drifting and dreaming etc is nicely done. The real highlight of the set in my opinion is the LONG (17+ minute) Uncle John's Band .. after a brief intro and 1st verse, a lengthy 5 minute jam ensues that really lets the band explore the UJB theme. Same is true after the last verse as Jerry and Brent tease China Doll and assorted other riffs before it looks like the drummers are going to settle in for their segment. Mydland however busts out a very very rare (1st and only one ever) "Only A Fool" sans Jerry, Bob and Phil that really hits home. Brent's lead organ with a very minimal drum line behind him give the song good emotional punch and it's well done, if a bit short (about 4 min.).
The back end includes a really trippy (again, weren't all 1984) Space that bleeds into a nice Spanish Jam. Weir takes a lead with Truckin and Jerry responds with a nice Black Peter.
It's unfortunate that the whole show does not circulate in SBD (for the completists among us, an AUD of the whole show is also posted here) because the 2d set is one of the best I have from this underrated era.
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
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